McCain/Palin?

[BSS]

Brilliant.

[Rontele]

I don't know much about her, so if anyone from AK can shed some light on her politics (outside of what I can read on wiki), I'd appreciate it.

[AKbruin]

They'd have to do a helluva job prepping her. She's likable, but she isn't that bright or sophisticated. Biden would destroy her in any debate (not that the debates necessarily matter that much).

[surrender_monkey]

no way. biden would destroy himself.

[BSS]

She's pretty moderate. She's about as known and experienced as Obama, so that's a wash. Brilliant part is she's not Romney, rudy, or any of the other "good old boys," and she's a lock for a good portion of the estranged Hillary k00ks.

I think it's probably about the best he can do at this point, espacially if Barack can maintain the momentum he built with his (also pretty brilliant) speech last night. VP debates are a non-issue.

[Obstruction]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4c/Biggus.jpg

[lemon boy]

She's about as known

r i i i i i i gght

[Rontele]

It is official that he picked Palin.

[BSS]

...When he started this whole "president" thing. You know what I meant.

She's got a lot of ground to make up in REAL short time. But we know this: one way or another there's either going to be a woman or a black in the white house. That's gonna be a real deal-breaker for a lot of otherwise would-be voters. This whole thing could get a lot more interesting real fast.

[bklyn]

Interesting!

[warthog]

This is getting good. I'll see your black president, and raise you a woman VP. Hope she has a good head on her shoulders. She could easily be pres. when McCain dies, gotta always have that in the back of your mind. Many a great man has died before 70. He might be working on borrowed time.

[3snowboards]

Supposed to be announced @ noon EST. Don't know if she is pro or anti choice. If she is pro-choice, then my guess for McCains VP would be Tom Ridge.
If McCain picks a woman for VP, it just shows how desperate his situation is.

[orange]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/mccain_picks_palin.html?hpid=topnews


McCain Picks Palin

DENVER -- John McCain has selected Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his vice presidential running mate, according to the McCain campaign, a surprise pick sure to shake up the race and reinforce the idea of the Arizona senator as a reformer.

The news that Palin, the mayor of a small town in Alaska just two years ago, was the pick came after CNN reported that a private plane had traveled from the Last Frontier to Dayton, Ohio where McCain is set to unveil his vice presidential pick later today. The Palin news came after the two supposed frontrunners -- Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- each confirmed he would not be traveling to Dayton today.

In picking Palin, McCain is taking a calculated risk. She is totally unknown and untested on the national stage but also has impressive credentials in her short time in public life.

Of Palin, former White House political svengali Karl Rove said this morning on Fox News Channel: "It would be a clear sign from the McCain campaign that they were going to be making a very strong bid for the women whom they see up for grabs -- both the traditional, swing independent suburbanites and then the Hillary Clinton supporters who remain disillusioned."

Palin was a star as a young age in Alaska -- a member of the Wasilla basketball team that won the state championship (her aggressive style won her the nickname "Sarah Barracuda") in 1982 and Miss Wasilla two years later.

Palin's political career began a decade later when she was elected to the Wasilla City Council and, four years after that, in 1996, she won the mayorship -- knocking off the incumbent by just a handful of votes.

After a near-miss run in the Republican primary for lieutenant governor in 2002, Palin set her sights on the state's top office four years later. She campaigned on a platform of reform and was aided by the fact that the public had tired of Gov. Frank Murkowksi, and that the looming Veco scandal, which would come to badly imperil the state's Republicans, had begun to get real traction.

Palin won the Republican primary overwhelmingly (Murkowski finished third) and went on to defeat former Gov. Tony Knowles (D) in the general election.

In her two years in office, she has largely made good on her promises of reform -- and watched as her constituents have made her the most popular governor in the country.

Palin is a mother of five -- including a newborn with special needs -- which led many people to speculate that she would not ultimately be the pick. During an interview with washingtonpost.com earlier this year in Washington, Palin said being picked as the vice president was an "impossibility" but that the idea of serving in national office intrigued her.

[The AD]

She's sorta hot...

[Stu Gotz]

That is some wacky sauce right there.

Before being Govenor of Alaska (the 47th most populous state in the country) for 2 years, Palin's only other previous experience is as a 2X mayor of a city of 8,500 people.

And tell Jim Stockdale that Vice Presidential debates don't matter.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

She's sorta hot...

She was a runner up in the Miss Alaska competition in high school. She owns a float plane, hunts, ice fishes. Her husband is an eskimo who works as a commercial fisherman part of the year and is a champion snowmobile racer. She is also pro-life and has a lifetime membership to the NRA. She sounds like my older brothers wet dream.

[BSS]

And tell Jim Stockdale that Vice Presidential debates don't matter.

In that case, not having a 40 year voting record on controversial issues will probably leverage to her advantage.

I mean, Wasilla AK mayor is hardly a position for anybody to take her seriously (on a national stage.) But a woman successfully taking on the entire state's Republican party at age 40,42 ? is a pretty formidable accomplishment.

[axebiker]

I think this is a good choice. Lots of appeal across many walks of life.

This will be great - now the 'Pubs have someone who can't be trodden upon because of WHAT they are. Heh, heh...

[TeleHoar]

http://67.18.219.83/image_hosting/web_pages/blu_eyez/Fark/McCAIN_MILF.jpg

Things got very interesting all of a sudden!!

Kool

[timvwcom]

This is interesting! I <3 politics.

She seems like a bright lady, but isn't she caught up in "trooper gate" or whatever it's called?

[The AD]

http://crucialtaunt.com/politics/images/SarahPalin380tall.jpg

Just imagine if she let her hair down and lost the glasses.

[truth]

She's pretty moderate. She's about as known and experienced as Obama, so that's a wash. Brilliant part is she's not Romney, rudy, or any of the other "good old boys," and she's a lock for a good portion of the estranged Hillary k00ks.



She's anti-abortion so it'll be a pretty big reach for her to take the Hillary fan base. To me this is McCain grasping at straws. Romney would have been his best pick as he needed a financial guy more than anything. With Palin he would seem to further estrange the racist, ignorant, stuck on the cross far right which was really his only hope.

This quote from the Washington Post is funny...

"He cannot say any more that Barack Obama doesn't have the experience to be commander in chief when he chooses a woman whose signature achievement two years ago was that they won an award from the National Arbor Day Foundation," a Democratic operative said.

[Rubicon]

This is getting good.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I think it's a bad move for McCain. He sort of loses any credibility he had in suggesting that "Obama has no experience so he shouldn't be president" type thing. His answer to that is to pick essentially some one with less experience to be second in command? He basically took away his strongest critique of Obama by chosing Palin. Just another example of how McCain is a political moron.

[Stu Gotz]

Stockdale's pummeling during the VP debates almost single-handedly ended Perot's candidacy.

I am not totally sold on the Obama mojo train. But if you're 71 and your potential VP is straight out of central casting for Northern Exposure, then some people who haven't made up their minds are going to think the choice is spotty at best.

[Lurch]

So is he still going to attack Obama's lack of experience when he is putting an even less experienced women in the white house after he is taken out by skin cancer or a heart attack in 2 years.

[The Reverend Floater]

Brilliant at face value, for sure. There are definitely women out there who will vote the ticket because of her. That said, she's the antithesis of Hilary--anti abortion, inexperienced, unsophisticated nor intellectual and not a particularly strong orator. The dems will likely repeatedly raise the question of her leadership since McCain is older than Moses. But it was a very well played move by the republicans.

That said, Biden WILL eat this lady alive.

[timvwcom]

One interesting point is she is “best known for her advocacy of drilling, drilling for oil in ANWR in the state of Alaska.” Fits in with the only point McCain has right now... "Drill here, drill now..."

Here's the trooper thing...


Investigation to begin into whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan (http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165)

By Corey Allen-Young, CBS 11 News Reporter
Article Last Updated: 07/28/2008 06:49:51 PM AKDT

Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister.

On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against Governor Palin in a manner—that they are stressing—will be unbiased and done in a timely fashion.

Legislators approved hiring a special investigator to look into the controversial firing of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan was fired two weeks ago without explanation and has said he was pressured by the governor and her staff to fire a trooper who was once married to Palin's sister.

Accusations have risen that Monegan was fired for his refusal to fire trooper Michael Wooten. The council's intent is to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of Monegan and potential abuses of power and improper action by the Governor and her administration.

"It is the intent of the legislative council that the investigation be professional, unbiased, independent, objective, and conducted at arms length from the political process," said, Senator Kim Elton, a Democrat from Juneau.

The council's intent is to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of Monegan and potential abuses of power and improper action by the governor and her administration.

"I think what it really gets down to is after the comma, add potential abuses of power and improper actions is really what we are looking at or at least proposing to look at?" said Representative John Harris, a Republican from Valdez.

Governor Palin has denied the accusations, saying she replaced Monegan
to go in a new direction. And although she doesn't think an investigation is needed, she welcomes the questions.

The council went through a detailed meeting to make sure the process is done in a timely manner with accurate results.

"We will get from this is," said Senator Hollis French, a Democrat from Anchorage, "no evidence of wrong doing, some evidence of wrong doing, clear evidence of wrong doing, that will come back to us."

"At that point the body has to make the decision: 'Is this evidence strong enough to proceed on or not?'"

"I think it should be made very clear because there have been conversations about personnel matters that the issues really that we are dealing with here are not the termination of the public
safety commissioner," said Harris.

Legislators hope that during this investigation that the politics are left out of the mix, which can be hard for government officials.

"What really remains is the most significant hurdle," said Representative Jay Ramras, a Republican from Fairbanks. "Are those professionals going to feel compelled to be subpoenaed before they will speak candidly about what they know?"

Senator French is the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and is in charge of hiring the investigator. He says he has a short list of candidates and that the investigation should be finished within a few months.

[BSS]

I think it's a bad move for McCain. He sort of loses any credibility he had in suggesting that "Obama has no experience so he shouldn't be president" type thing. His answer to that is to pick essentially some one with less experience to be second in command? He basically took away his strongest critique of Obama by chosing Palin. Just another example of how McCain is a political moron.

Obama put the cards on the table last night saying he knows he's not experienced and that this isn't about experience. The "not about me, you" thing... Which was pretty smart. But I think McCain just called his bluff.

Aside from that, strictly by using voter trends as an indicator here - does anybody know the last time 2 non former governors or former VP's or general officers had a winning ticket? Kennedy/Johnson? Anyways, I think it was a LONG time ago.

[The AD]

I'm not so sure Palin is a bad choice. Yes, she doesn't have much experience, but McCain can counter this by saying HE does have lots of experience. She's one heartbeat from the Presidency, but I think most people would much rather see a VP candidate with less experience than a Presidential candidate. She certainly balances out the droopy old man image of McCain.

One more thing that was a great move by McCain: naming Palin as his running mate the morning after the DNC concluded. He pretty much stole Obama's thunder. Everyone is now talking about Palin rather than Obama. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

[f2f]

fark title:

To hammer home the message that 47 year old, first-term senator Obama is too inexperienced to be president, John McCain picks 44 year old first-term governor Sarah Palin as his running mate

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'm not so sure Palin is a bad choice. Yes, she doesn't have much experience, but McCain can counter this by saying HE does have lots of experience. She's one heartbeat from the Presidency, but I think most people would much rather see a VP candidate with less experience than a Presidential candidate. She certainly balances out the droopy old man image of McCain.

I sort of agree except that there is a very good chance of him croking in office. I don't know if this lady is the answer the country needs if that were to happen.

[orange]

She seems like a bright lady, but isn't she caught up in "trooper gate" or whatever it's called?

Yes, it's an ethics investiagtion, but from first reports it sounds like nothing major.


She's anti-abortion so it'll be a pretty big reach for her to take the Hillary fan base. To me this is McCain grasping at straws. Romney would have been his best pick as he needed a financial guy more than anything.

She is in favor of over-turning Roe v. Wade. I bet we're going to get overloaded with the energy conversation with her coming out of AK...however Andrea Kramer is telling me right now she and McCain disagree on ANWR oil.


I think it's a bad move for McCain. He sort of loses any credibility he had in suggesting that "Obama has no experience so he shouldn't president" type thing. His answer to that is to pick essentially some one with less experience to be second in command? He basically took away his strongest critique of Obama by chosing Palin. Just another example of how McCain is a political moron.

Your argument is only 1/2 correct, right now. McCain this whole time has said "VP is NOT President" and that he wasn't looking for an instant first second first day substitute for him, but someone who shares his values, priorities, and principles. However, only a few years ago this woman was the mayor of Wasilla and raising taxes. I do think it undercuts and removes McCain's overall attack of "inexperience" on Obama though...We'll have to see how the McCain camp moves forward over the next week or so.



Shes a hunter, fisher, hockey mom, and life-time member of the NRA. They call her a "Maverick in her own state" and want "to tie that to McCain's own maverick image" :rolleyes2:rolleyes2

[gonzo]

Sarah Louise Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and the presumptive 2008 Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States.[1] She is expected to be the second female Vice Presidential nominee representing one of the two major American political parties.[2] Palin was selected as the runner-up in the 1984 Miss Alaska contest, and received a scholarship to the University of Idaho where she received a degree in journalism. After working as a sports reporter in Anchorage, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska, City Council from 1992 to 1996, was elected mayor of Wasilla in 1996, and ran unsuccessfully for Lieutenant Governor in 2002.

After charging ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders,[3] she won election in 2006 by first defeating incumbent governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary, then former Democratic Alaskan governor Tony Knowles in the general election.

On August 29, 2008, presumptive GOP nominee John McCain chose Palin as his nominee for vice president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

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I'm sorry, but that bio is simply not in the same league as Obama, Hilary, Biden or McCain. Not even close.

[hutash]

She will definitely get the bare foot and pregnant in the kitchen vote.


"Woman...go get me a beer, and while you are at it, vote for that McCain fella."


Some how I don't think this is going to attract the libro-feminist vote.

[CUBUCK]

That said, Biden WILL eat this lady alive.

No he won't for two reasons;

First, His criticisms of Washington will be met with the fact that he has been inside the beltway for 40 years and is just as much the problem as the people he criticizes. She has the benefit of being an outsider.

Second and more importantly if he becomes to aggressive in the debates he will just look like he is beating up on/talking down to a woman.

[Tuckerman]

If McCain picks a woman for VP, it just shows how desperate his situation is.

Why whats wrong with a woman?

[pepperdawg]

http://crucialtaunt.com/politics/images/SarahPalin380tall.jpg

Just imagine if she let her hair down and lost the glasses.

Naw leave the glasses on.....get the milfy-school-teacher vibe goin...


squirt

[orange]

I don't see this is a viable substitute for HillDawg - which some are hoping its made out to be. They're both women...and the similarities pretty much end there. 18 months in the AK Senate, unsuccessful fun for Lt. Gov, and Mayor of Wasilla...that's what we're looking at.

[gonzo]

Sarah Louise Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and the presumptive 2008 Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States.[1] She is expected to be the second female Vice Presidential nominee representing one of the two major American political parties.[2] Palin was selected as the runner-up in the 1984 Miss Alaska contest, and received a scholarship to the University of Idaho where she received a degree in journalism. After working as a sports reporter in Anchorage, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska, City Council from 1992 to 1996, was elected mayor of Wasilla in 1996, and ran unsuccessfully for Lieutenant Governor in 2002.

After charging ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders,[3] she won election in 2006 by first defeating incumbent governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary, then former Democratic Alaskan governor Tony Knowles in the general election.

On August 29, 2008, presumptive GOP nominee John McCain chose Palin as his nominee for vice president.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

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I'm sorry, but that bio is simply not in the same league as Obama, Hilary, Biden or McCain. Not even close.

[orange]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Palin1.JPG

[The Dad]

But if you're 71
72 today -- Happy Birthday, John McCain!

(A really nasty ad -- perhaps for a 527 -- would be a cake with 73 candles and an impersonator trying to blow them out.)



Aside from that, strictly by using voter trends as an indicator here - does anybody know the last time 2 non former governors or former VP's or general officers had a winning ticket? Kennedy/Johnson? Anyways, I think it was a LONG time ago.
Put another way -- at least, going for the same answer -- when was the last time a sitting senator was elected president? But unless McCain dies during the campaign, this year, one will.

[Danno]

But we know this: one way or another there's either going to be a woman or a black in the white house.

And THAT makes me very happy. Now every parent in this country who tells their daughter or non-white son that they could grow up to be president won't be lying.

I am not sure what I think of his choice politically, but as far as what it means to this country, all I can say is FUCK YEAH!

[orange]

http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/070807/hom_20070708005.shtml


Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts
Vetoes' trim $231 million from State's capital budget

By Tim Bradner
Alaska Journal of Commerce

Gov. Sarah Palin is being criticized by legislators for poor communications during the Legislature's regular session, when lawmakers were putting together the state capital budget. Palin announced $231 million in vetoes from the capital budget June 29, catching legislators by surprise.

“Her communications could have been better,” said Rep. Kevin Meyer, co-chair of the House Finance Committee. “If she had told us up front that she wanted a $450 million capital budget instead of a $550 million budget, we could have met it.”

“All she told us was that she wanted a smaller capital budget than last year, and we accomplished that. Our capital budget was 40 percent lower than last year's,” Meyer said.

Other legislators said that had Palin given them guidelines it would have saved time and disappointment among constituents.

Senate President Lyda Green, R-Wasilla, said she was caught off guard by the priorities and criteria.

“If you're going to have new rules, announce them the first day, not one month after we leave Juneau,” she said. “She needs to make it clear the sorts of things that aren't going to be funded.

The $231 million in cuts drew praise from some lawmakers who believed the budget originally reflected too much spending.

“The most consistent comment we've heard from voters is that there is too much state spending. The governor was elected with a huge approval rating, and I think this is what people have asked her to do. We'll be in a deficit in a couple of years and it's better to make the cuts now.”

Anchorage Democrat Les Gara, a House Finance Committee member who voted against the capital budget, also said Palin did the right thing. “The Republican leadership went on a spending spree and it was not responsible,” Gara said. “I want there to be a real public process that is open and transparent where people justify the projects they ask for in front of the microphone.”

The cuts affected more than 300 local projects, and reduced the budget to nearly $1.6 billion. Palin also signed the operating and mental health budgets, but there were no cuts from what lawmakers submitted.

The capital budget includes $416 million in state funds, down from the $546 million contained in the budget sent to Palin. It still tucks away $50 million into the Constitutional Budget Reserve, a state savings account.

Although the governor said her priorities were consistent and that she supports core state responsibilities, such as infrastructure, she vetoed $10 million for expansion of the Port of Anchorage, a regional facility serving 90 percent of the state population. She approved $10 million for environmental studies for an extension of the Alaska Railroad to Port Mackenzie.

Bill Sheffield, director of the Anchorage port, was surprised by the veto and said he is now concerned that the port's major expansion program will be able to keep on schedule. Large cranes for the port have to be ordered this winter and if the port cannot get the $10 million restored next session, the facility may not be ready for the cranes when they arrive, Sheffield said.

Palin also vetoed money for energy projects in the Southcentral-Interior railbelt, including the 50 megawatt Fire Island wind project and funds to restart the Healy Clean Coal Project, a 50 megawatt new-technology coal power plant at Healy that has been mothballed because of a commercial dispute between Golden Valley Electric Association of Fairbanks and the Alaska Industrial Development Authority, the state corporation which owns the plant.

However, governor let stand a $46.2 million appropriation to complete the Swan Lake-Tyee intertie project, a half-completed 57-mile transmission line that will bring surplus hydro power from Lake Tyee, near Wrangell and Petersburg, to Ketchikan, which needs more power.

Palin said at a June 29 news conference that the cuts should send a message to lawmakers for next year's budget considerations. “We need to live within our means,” Palin said. “Even though we have a surplus, that doesn't warrant a spending spree.”

The state should prioritize its projects, while not spending a finite potential surplus created by high oil prices, she said. Oil is responsible for 85 percent of state revenue, but oil production is declining and deficits are expected in the next two years.

Palin said her administration prioritized funding for education, transportation and public safety projects. Then, capital budget projects were judged against whether her administration thought other public entities, such as the federal or local government, should pay for them.

After that, Palin examined whether the project was already underway or is receiving partial matching funds from another source. “We had to look at wants versus needs, needs of course weighing much more heavily than wants,” Palin said. “This was a deliberative process, meant to provide consistency.”

[Tuckerman]

Hillary would have been a better vp pick.

[BSS]

And THAT makes me very happy. Now every parent in this country who tells their daughter or non-white son that they could grow up to be president won't be lying.

I am not sure what I think of his choice politically, but as far as what it means to this country, all I can say is FUCK YEAH!

Word. All other things aside, I am really proud that we've finally made it to this point.

[cinnepa]

Hillary would have been a better vp pick.


congrats.......ever think hillary would be part of your 3000th?

[Theodore]

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I'm sorry, but that bio is simply not in the same league as Obama, Hilary, Biden or McCain. Not even close.

I can absolutely see your point, but to be honest... has the career politician done us much good? The "gold standard" of US politics as of late has not done much to better this country. Just maintain status quo, or (more recently) gone downhill.

My main issue with her is that she seems to be VERY pro life, but outside of that, I don't think it's that bad.

My initial reaction was that this will snag a fair amount of the Dem's voters... regardless, it is a much more interesting pick! I'm on the fence with things and really am not too crazy about Barak. The rumors of Romney completely turned me off on McCain. Now, I'm listening again... so, something is working!

[truth]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

[The Dad]

(A really nasty ad -- perhaps for a 527 -- would be a cake with 73 candles and an impersonator trying to blow them out.)

I honestly did not see this before posting.

Jw-fjlUWDyk

[iceman]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4c/Biggus.jpg

that's the one I thought of first, and I might even have voted for him.

[Toadman]

She's very well liked in AK. The NRA loving perverts in the GOP will lover her (except for the majority of GOP men who are still in the closet), and she isn't a poseur when it comes to doing the outdoor thing.

She, however, lacks any int'l experience or understanding of what's going on in the lower 48 economically but understands the oil biz, which will appeal to all the oil folks.

I do think she will have some problems in a VP debate with Biden. She's more of an independent than a true dyed in the wool republican. Kinda like McCain was before he turned into a douchey neocon.

It will be interesting. Biden can't be too rough on her in the debates, or he will look like a dick picking on a woman. She'll charm the socks off of some, and make others puke. YMMV.

[Theodore]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Yes... great way to judge someone. Go off the things that they don't have control of. I was born in New Jersey and grew up in Topeka, KS. I don't consider myself white trash by any means.

[The Reverend Floater]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

You're stretching here. Like a gymnast.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

I don't think she would have been my first pick if I was McCain but you seem smart enough to know that is a stretch. She moved out of Sandpoint as an infant and she is married to a Yup'ik Alaskan native. Do white supremecy groups let in Native Americans these days??

[iceman]

A Native Eskimo? What?


Sandpoint kicked the Aryans out years ago, it actually sounds like a nice place. It's not their fault Mark Fuhrman moved there.

[Tuckerman]

She moved out of Sandpoint as an infant

That just shows how smart she is. Not wanting to be around all the white supremest.

[TeleHoar]

I think this was exactly what McCain needed to do, Obama did not pick Hillary (big mistake IMO) so this is the perfect chess move.

No one's talking about Last night's speech anymore this morning.

When can we turn this into a Tina Fey Thread??

http://www.afterellen.com/archive/ellen/blog/uploads/tina_fey_glasses.jpg

[hutash]

It will be interesting. Biden can't be too rough on her in the debates, or he will look like a dick picking on a woman. She'll charm the socks off of some, and make others puke. YMMV.

If Biden doesn't try and rip her a new hole, it will be perceived as being easy one her because she was a woman. If she doesn't come out as a ball buster the anti-fems will have a field day. If she wants to be taken seriously on the national stage she is going to have to show that she is a VP not a woman. Hillary did that long ago. I really don't think she is a woman, not she what Hillary is, but a woman????

[Adolf Allerbush]

Yes... great way to judge someone. Go off the things that they don't have control of. I was born in New Jersey and grew up in Topeka, KS. I don't consider myself white trash by any means.

She's Christian too so she'll probably be up for killing tons and tons of Muslims. Palin is a Welsh name so she probably hates the French too! Freedom fries and freedom toast!

[Dirty Hoar]

... I'm on the fence with things and really am not too crazy about Barak. The rumors of Romney completely turned me off on McCain. Now, I'm listening again... so, something is working!

Just curious... What don't you like about Barak? Did you listen to his speech last night?

And what don't you like about Romney?

[P_McPoser]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

As opposed to Logan, UT. You should read some more, like how her husband is a Native.

[truth]

You're stretching here. Like a gymnast.

C'mon, there's no denying the Sandpoint neo-nazi history. I'm not in any way saying she's connected, but her stances on gay rights, abortion, school prayer and big oil vs. the environment are all ultra-conservative in nature and a direct reflection of her environment.


As opposed to Logan, UT.

Huh? I'm missing the connection.

Pak-rH0dCeA&feature

[axebiker]

I'm sorry, but that bio is simply not in the same league as Obama, Hilary, Biden or McCain. Not even close.

Obama = No experience on the national scene either. Hasn't done anything since elected to Congress since he's been campaigning the majority of his term.

Hilary = Not running. Non-factor - except for her displaced voters. Oh - Bush isn't running either in case someone missed the news.

Biden = Not running for President! Am I the only one who gets this? Not exactly "CHANGE" personified here...

McCain = Experience, and liberal for a 'Pub, no matter how hard the Dems try to paint him as conservative. A year ago, he was the Lib's best friiend!! Smart not to choose Lieberman or Ridge - kinda surprised he didn't take Pawlenty or Romney.

Compare Obamania's past questionable associations (ACORN, Wright, Ayers, CountryWide Mortgage) to Palin's "situation", and I don't think there's much of a comparison.

[f2f]

seriously, WTF?

http://www.vpilf.com/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg

[jon gaper]

After going to the Saul Alinsky school of rabble rousing marxist community organisers he was picked by his sds/weathermen bretheren to be CEO of a corrupt group of grifters to swipe Annenberg money meant to actually help math/science education in Chicago.
Palin has no real experience. She has only been a mayor and governor. And she is for drilling that pristine 2000 acres the size of LAX for a resource that we can easily buy for $700,000,000,000 a year from our friends:

[yodaottis]

Anything that pisses off the ignorant bigots that kept us in Bush-land all these years gets my full endorsement.
Now those assholes have to choose between a black president, or a woman VP. I hope it keeps them up at night.

I haven't researched her yet, but I do recall her solution to people in AK being in financial crisis was to mail everyone a $1200 check? Might be wrong, but if I'm not...short sighted fixes like that concern me.

[Danno]

McCain = Experience, and liberal for a 'Pub, no matter how hard the Dems try to paint him as conservative. A year ago, he was the Lib's best friiend!! Smart not to choose Lieberman or Ridge - kinda surprised he didn't take Pawlenty or Romney.


You need to research McCain's long voting history in the Senate if you believe that he is liberal for a Republican. That's a load of bullshit.

[P_McPoser]

seriously, WTF?

http://www.vpilf.com/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg

That's fucking rad!

[bklyn]

^^^ I really hope that's a photoshop ^^^

Her husband looks like that Kevin Costner type of native...

[axebiker]

You need to research McCain's long voting history in the Senate if you believe that he is liberal for a Republican. That's a load of bullshit.

I have. Why do you think I don't like him?

[trainnvain]

She's addressing the rally right now. Her public speaking is akin to some teen group winning a grammy. She's not even delivering a speech, she's just gushing.
Painful.

[tex1230]

Somewhere in NY, a production assistant is looking for a job...]

CNBC just cut her off in the middle of her speech. Dipshit.

[truth]

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[Theodore]

Just curious... What don't you like about Barak? Did you listen to his speech last night?

And what don't you like about Romney?

As time goes on and I get older, I find myself drifting further to the right. In the past few elections, I had voted Dem because that's what it was the best way to go. I'm not a fan of Bush, he's just an idiot. :)

I did not watch the speech. I'm not a big fan of the conventions to tell the truth. It's a lot of watching the same team suck each other off, and gets tiresome real quick.

Romney was your prototypical old white guy US politician (yes I know, mccain is an older white guy). I'm tired of it. I'm not a fan of his religious tilt either.

I know Palin is religious. I know she is pro life. I know my thoughts on said things could well be contradictory, but damnit, that's why the elections aren't until Nov. 2nd. It gives me time to learn, dig and educate myself. My mind is by no means made up, I'm just leaning right at this point. Could change, might not.

There is your 100% honest answer.

[The AD]

She's addressing the rally right now.

Just watched for a couple minutes. I think John McCain is wearing more makeup than she is. His skin looks smoother than a newborn baby's :)

[smitchell333]

Interesting play by McCain for the power to Women votes.

But her anti-choice stance will mitigate that effect.

As an independent voter this tips the scales for me in favor of Obama. The thought of a her becoming president should McCain croak is not comforting to me at this point. But of course there was little effect of indy/repub voters considering putting a psychotic - ie Cheney - in the oval should Bush choke on a cheezy puff or whatever it was.

[Jax]

Hunting wolves from a plane is rad.

[BSS]

She's addressing the rally right now. Her public speaking is akin to some teen group winning a grammy. She's not even delivering a speech, she's just gushing.
Painful.


Yeah, pretty brutal. My first thought was "prom queen acceptance speech?"

[BaconMan]

Huh - I was thinking that it was "amatuerishly" refreshing. And she's kinda hot. But McCain rolling out to VanHagar was beyond funny.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Yeah, pretty brutal. My first thought was "prom queen acceptance speech?"

I know there's nothing she can do about this but her voice is really fucking annoying...can't listen to her.

Edit: She also sounds uneducated...possibly illiterate.

[MrZach]

She was a runner up in the Miss Alaska competition in high school. She owns a float plane, hunts, ice fishes. Her husband is an eskimo who works as a commercial fisherman part of the year and is a champion snowmobile racer. She is also pro-life and has a lifetime membership to the NRA. She sounds like my older brothers wet dream.

Odd. I thought that her husband is an oilman, working for BP drilling oil in Alaska. Rather curious since Palin supports opening ANWAR and the neighboring coast for drilling.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Odd. I thought that her husband is an oilman,

I don't get it, are you saying he can't be an Eskimo if he's an oil man?...joking

[Jax]

Cheney in a skirt. Double rad!

[dbp]

^^^ I really hope that's a photoshop ^^^

It is. The person's Flickr photostream is just photochops of female politicians.
Some of it is quite revolting - think "sexy" images of Hillary, Nancy, et al.

http://flickr.com/photos/38415349@N00/1903451448/

A bunch of them are NSFW

[From_the_NEK]

:nonono2: :nonono2: :nonono2:



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1903451448_635a36aed2_o.jpg

That is totally a photochop. Her head is slighty too big for the body and if you look closely, the side boob is messed up/smudgy due to trying to stich the pics together.

[Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo]

Odd. I thought that her husband is an oilman, working for BP drilling oil in Alaska. Rather curious since Palin supports opening ANWAR and the neighboring coast for drilling.

He is, I guess he is a commercial fisherman for the fishing season and then works on a rig the rest of the year.

[timvwcom]

I'm not sure if this one is real either?

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/05/sarapalinlego.jpg

Also, thought it funny that they pushed both her and her husbands union memberships... WTF, do they think the American public is so stupid they don't realize the Republican's would basically like to abolish unions? Oh yeah, Bush x 2 = teh are that stupid. Arghhh!!!

[bklyn]

That's a relief. She has every right to dress as she pleases, but I'd hate to see her attacked based on photos like that floating around.


I'm not sure if this one is real either?
Not surprised at all based on your posts! ;)

[orange]

Dear lord Biden will absolutely dominate her in speeches and debates...

[The Dad]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/muzikal203/McBush/34djw44.jpg

[mr_gyptian]

Brilliant at face value, for sure. There are definitely women out there who will vote the ticket because of her. That said, she's the antithesis of Hilary--anti abortion, inexperienced, unsophisticated nor intellectual and not a particularly strong orator. The dems will likely repeatedly raise the question of her leadership since McCain is older than Moses. But it was a very well played move by the republicans.

That said, Biden WILL eat this lady alive.


It puts him in a very bad place because he will not be able to help himself from doing so and will come off extremely bad. secondly, she's shown the ability to handle people like Murkowski, Young, and Stevens. Biden won't scare her.

At this point I can't say whether or not I like her because she is not Romney, Huckabee, or Giuliani. It's also kind of funny that with two years as governor and her time as mayor she has more executive experience than McCain, Obama, or Biden. Also, her credentials with fighting the corruption in AK will go a long ways with voters. that state has deservedly gotten a reputation as bad as Louisiana, New Jersey, and Chicago as far as crooked politicians are concerned.

[timvwcom]

Sorry... forgot my Tina (looking like Palin) contribution;

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/tina-fey-tanktop1.jpg


Aaaannnnddd... I'll raise you a Spears (looking kinda like Palin);

http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/assets/277408_13.JPG

[enlosandes]

If Hilary supporters vote for this ticket because she is a woman, then they are as stupid as all the idiots who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004.

[Adolf Allerbush]

http://www.vpilf.com/

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Media/url.jpg

[smitchell333]

I think McCain just misunderstood when his advisors said 'Do you want to tap Palin'

'Hell yeah' would be any red blooded male's answer 'I'll tap that'


Edit to add. I'll bet Rove is mastermind behind the sex card. Obama is being "Swift-boobed":
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uExTzMIDd1Y/R2O5nKq9_tI/AAAAAAAAATE/At2bb_K_3ao/s1600/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

[Cliff Huckable]

I am not totally sold on the Obama mojo train. But if you're 71 and your potential VP is straight out of central casting for Northern Exposure, then some people who haven't made up their minds are going to think the choice is spotty at best.

That pretty much sums up how I feel.

She seems like a younger Harriet Myers, but much less accomplished. :nonono2:

I'd been picking McSame to win, but now I'm not so sure.

[hutash]

I think McCain just misunderstood when his advisors said 'Do you want to tap Palin'

'Hell yeah' would be any red blooded male's answer 'I'll tap that'

Now it all makes sense:D

[axebiker]

I bet she can ski, and actually owns Gore-Tex clothing. Good enough.

[Hutch]

Some of you smart guys need to remember how stupid the electorate is, and stop assuming that they make decisions on who they vote for based on reasoned analysis. This pick exhibits the deep cynicism and contempt the GOP has for voters. "McCain too old-looking, serious-sounding, and vituperative? Let's find someone young, bubbly, and positive." Substance is irrelevant.

Her approval rating in AK is in the 80s, most popular governor ever. She brought a down syndrome child to full term despite learning of its condition during her pregnancy. I think this was a brilliant pick.

Edit to add - axebiker is a perfect example of the type of troglodyte that these craven assholes are gunning for with this selection.

[Dirty Hoar]

As time goes on and I get older, I find myself drifting further to the right. In the past few elections, I had voted Dem because that's what it was the best way to go. I'm not a fan of Bush, he's just an idiot. :)

I did not watch the speech. I'm not a big fan of the conventions to tell the truth. It's a lot of watching the same team suck each other off, and gets tiresome real quick.

Romney was your prototypical old white guy US politician (yes I know, mccain is an older white guy). I'm tired of it. I'm not a fan of his religious tilt either.

I know Palin is religious. I know she is pro life. I know my thoughts on said things could well be contradictory, but damnit, that's why the elections aren't until Nov. 2nd. It gives me time to learn, dig and educate myself. My mind is by no means made up, I'm just leaning right at this point. Could change, might not.

There is your 100% honest answer.

Thanks for the honesty! I encourage you to watch Obama's speech. It's about an hour long but VERY worth it whatever your political beliefs are.

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[Adolf Allerbush]

Her approval rating in AK is in the 80s, most popular governor ever. She brought a down syndrome child to full term despite learning of its condition during her pregnancy. I think this was a brilliant pick.

Edit to add - axebiker is a perfect example of the type of troglodyte that these craven assholes are gunning for with this selection.

That DS kid is the same one she's going to abandone for the next few months while she campaigns with McLame. She's no angel in my book...if she truly cared for her family she wouldn't take the opportunity to be VP.

You're right about axebiker and the general electorate...pure stupidity.

[mr_gyptian]

That pretty much sums up how I feel.

She seems like a younger Harriet Myers, but much less accomplished. :nonono2:

I'd been picking McSame to win, but now I'm not so sure.

For the love of god, stop posting.

[David Witherspoon]

If troglodytes on the ignore list are all we gotta worry about - a little cash should take care of it (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1973283&#post1973283).

[Cono Este]

I think the Dan Quayle nomination does not look so bad now.

[Danno]

I think McCain understands the electoral map fairly well, and felt that he had to make a radical choice to make that map change. It may backfire, we'll see.

[soulman978]

It puts him in a very bad place because he will not be able to help himself from doing so and will come off extremely bad.

I can't understand how people can use logic like this. If a woman wants to be in a position like the Vice President of The United States of America, she better damn well be ready to defend herself against the same kind of attack that Biden would put on a male candidate. This is not a beauty pageant. If someone goes after you and you can't properly defend yourself, you are not prepared. End of Story.

[TeleHoar]

She's no angel in my book...if she truly cared for her family she wouldn't take the opportunity to be VP.


Absurd statement.
Maybe she would like to make the world a better place for her kids?? She has a son in Iraq too...so she should just get back to raising babies and shut up and HOPE that someone else brings him home??


You'd think a MILF-ish hottie, who rides a sled, would get a better response around here!

[P_McPoser]

MrZ, I'm not sure working as a production operator makes someone an "Oilman." It makes them a Joe Six Pack blue collar amur-can.

[The AD]

It puts him in a very bad place because he will not be able to help himself from doing so and will come off extremely bad.

I don't really think so. To be taken seriously she's going to have to come across as tough. When women do this they have a tendency to be construed as bitchy--just look at Hillary. If she throws barbs at Biden most people won't hold it against him when he throws them right back.

edit: yeah, pretty much what soulman said, above.

[enlosandes]

Can any maggots dig up some pics of her with her hair down and glasses off? I expect big things out of you Alaskans, it's your duty to the board!

[Adolf Allerbush]

Absurd statement.
Maybe she would like to make the world a better place for her kids?? She has a son in Iraq too...so she should just get back to raising babies and shut up and HOPE that someone else brings him home??

This is laughable for how ironic it is. Republicans making the world a better place? That's a funny one...especially with your reference to Iraq...good lord that's funny. So, by your estimation, the best way for her to make the world a better place, especially for her kid in Iraq, is to join up with McLame...the same guy who would like to keep her kid in Iraq indefinitely. Rrrriiight. Then abandoning her DS kid while she selfishly tries to attain a more prominent powerful political position is helping that kid out how? Don't be dumb.

[P_McPoser]

Adolph, quite being so fucking sexist. Why is it HER responsibility to care for the child? Her husband can't do it?

[bklyn]

That DS kid is the same one she's going to abandone for the next few months while she campaigns with McLame. She's no angel in my book...if she truly cared for her family she wouldn't take the opportunity to be VP...

Ugh! Did you say the same about Edwards, out campaigning (and carousing and making illegitimate babies) while his wife had terminal cancer?

If the Dems thought Hillary Clinton had it bad for being a woman, just wait until this one bites Palin in the ass: "Who's going to look after her special needs child?"


MrZ, I'm not sure working as a production operator makes someone an "Oilman." It makes them a Joe Six Pack blue collar amur-can.

Nah. He's an oilman... and you're in 'precious metals"

[Adolf Allerbush]

Adolph, quite being so fucking sexist. Why is it HER responsibility to care for the child? Her husband can't do it?

Good point...but do I really need to write that they both should be caring for their kid? I mean, afterall the republican party is all about family values!

BTW, Oregon is going to crush AZ this year...I predict Stoops gets fired.

[Summit]

everything else aside in this thread I am sure of but one thing...

Adolf's logic... it is broken and clouded by anger (leads to hate leads to suffering leads to the darkside)...

[PNWbrit]

Can any maggots dig up some pics of her with her hair down and glasses off? I expect big things out of you Alaskans, it's your duty to the board!

Running short of ~attractive middle aged women down there sport?

Vibes.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Ugh! Did you say the same about Edwards, out campaigning (and carousing and making illegitimate babies) while his wife had terminal cancer?

I'm not sure if I posted the same about Edwards and his wife's terminal cancer on TGR but I certainly felt that way. He was equally as amazingly selfish as this Palin lady.

[soulman978]

like how her husband is a Native.

This guy is a native Yu'Pik?

[Rontele]

Adolf, your comments about the roles of women to be the sole caretaker are myopic and very unbarrista-esque

Quit being such a sexist shitstain.

[Metatron]

Well, apparently this doesn't change anything... liberals will still be liberals and neo-cons will still get conned.

[Blurred]

I'm shocked by his choice. However, she does have the same conservative values as Romney, yet she is a female to offset the "the first black pres vote", and maybe pick up some of the Hillary supporters.

I don't think it will work however, as I think the tone of "8 is enough" is insurmountable at this point.

Iraq is beginning to take care of itself, so it is taking a back burner to the economy......I think this is where the middle class vote will go to Obama regardless of political partisan leanings.
America is tired of corporations bending them over, shipping jobs over seas, etc.
McCain and Obama have too many similar beliefs on other topics such as energy policy and the illegal alien problem.
McCain was great as a centrist, but the neocon thing is going to be his demise.

As far as Palin goes, most of you don't know jack about her.
Give her a chance to debate Biden before saying she'll get destroyed.
I think it's a huge positive for both Obama and Palin to have little political experience, because America is so cynical about career politicians.
Won't be a boring Fall, that's for sure.

[enlosandes]

Running short of ~attractive middle aged women down there sport?

Vibes.

No shortage of MILF's in Argentina, and I think you know that very well.

Just trying to get some good spit on the possible future leader of the free world.

[Theodore]

Thanks for the honesty! I encourage you to watch Obama's speech. It's about an hour long but VERY worth it whatever your political beliefs are.

I'll see if I can watch it tonight. From what I've heard, it is an awesome speech.

[Buzzworthy]

As opposed to Logan, UT. You should read some more, like how her husband is a Native.

Huh, what?? Expand por favor.

[P_McPoser]

Good point...but do I really need to write that they both should be caring for their kid? I mean, afterall the republican party is all about family values!

BTW, Oregon is going to crush AZ this year...I predict Stoops gets fired.

I think we've got you guys figured out. Lots of emotion, and the makings of a new rivalry, I'm excited for this season. I've never had a child with down syndrome...so I can't comment on the need for both parents...But I'd guess the family is traveling with her as much as it allows. Not much different than having a job.



Nah. He's an oilman... and you're in 'precious metals"

Sounds catchy, I like it.


This guy is a native Yu'Pik?

Yes. Shocking when the sterotypes you have locked into your head don't quite work out, eh? Sorry he is not dark with yellowed and missing teeth, wearing seal fur.

[Tippster]

Some of you smart guys need to remember how stupid the electorate is, and stop assuming that they make decisions on who they vote for based on reasoned analysis. This pick exhibits the deep cynicism and contempt the GOP has for voters. "McCain too old-looking, serious-sounding, and vituperative? Let's find someone young, bubbly, and positive." Substance is irrelevant...Seconded. My immediate reaction was that everyone would call bullshit on this shallow pedantic pick, but then I remembered we're talking about the American Electorate - the people who bought Dubya as being a beer-drinkin' average Texas guy rather than a rich New England Blueblood.

I can't understand how people can use logic like this. If a woman wants to be in a position like the Vice President of The United States of America, she better damn well be ready to defend herself against the same kind of attack that Biden would put on a male candidate. This is not a beauty pageant. If someone goes after you and you can't properly defend yourself, you are not prepared. End of Story.See the above. Hillary got a bump in the polls, and likely won New Hampshire, because she choked up and said "it [fighting the old boy's club] was hard..."

We don't like people bullying the purdy little lady (who will become POTUS when the cancer comes back.)


Running short of ~attractive middle aged women down there sport?
Hey, I'd like to see it too.

BTW - which one has Down's Syndrome? The one in the car?

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Entries/2008/8/24_John_McCain_Running_Mate_files/shapeimage_2.jpg

[P_McPoser]

Huh, what?? Expand por favor.

Sandpoint Idaho is a haven for the KKK, the same way Utah is a haven for racist, exclusionist mormons.

Stereotypes about places we don't live, very hot.

[Rontele]

i'd pay good money to watch some hot lesbianic action between Pallin's daughter on the right (if she's legal) and timvwcom's legal daughter.

[PNWbrit]

the possible future leader of the free world.

d00d....please did you have to actually write it out loud.

[MrZach]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh150/Rusulki/PNR2879-2.jpg

[Tippster]

She's got that not-a-midget-Shawn-Johnson-with-tits appeal.

Still wanna know where the Downs Syndrome kid is in that lovely family photo.

[Rontele]

She's got that not-a-midget-Shawn-Johnson-with-tits appeal.

Still wanna know where the Downs Syndrome kid is in that lovely family photo.

Einstein, he was born in 2008 (like in utero).

[ak_powder_monkey]

Sarah Palin is an idiot, total retard, and really not very hot (I've actually seen her in the flesh) she shows up in office to a huge surplus (couple hundred billion or something like that) and cuts the shit out of everything, and I mean everything, education, cops, fish and game (which isn't even paid for by general fund money).

If anyone has ever been to Wasilla you know that the mayor of Wasilla clearly cannot lead a small suberban "town" and of course can't lead a state, let alon a nation.

The good news is that if McCain wins and I have to take to my bunker (for the inevitable war) The state will just have another asshole as gov. But at least the asshole won't be a ditzy idiot...

Sarah Palin who's family has commercial fished for generations wheres jucking chest waders for her photo opps... enough said.

[mr_gyptian]

I can't understand how people can use logic like this. If a woman wants to be in a position like the Vice President of The United States of America, she better damn well be ready to defend herself against the same kind of attack that Biden would put on a male candidate. This is not a beauty pageant. If someone goes after you and you can't properly defend yourself, you are not prepared. End of Story.

you guys are a bunch of heartless bastards.

I realize it is unfair that it will be perceived in a fashion that will look like a male is attacking a female. but it will. Given Biden's inherent unrepentant speak before think he will hang himself. Unfortunately, for Biden Palin seems savvy enough to give him just enough rope.

[Buzzworthy]

Sandpoint Idaho is a haven for the KKK, the same way Utah is a haven for racist, exclusionist mormons.

Stereotypes about places we don't live, very hot.


I lived in Logan for 10 years. Are you implying mormons in Logan are racist and exclusionist? Just trying to understand what you are trying to say and if you have any sort of leg to stand on here.

[Rontele]

Sarah Palin is an idiot, total retard, and really not very hot (I've actually seen her in the flesh) she shows up in office to a huge surplus (couple hundred billion or something like that) and cuts the shit out of everything, and I mean everything, education, cops, fish and game (which isn't even paid for by general fund money).

If anyone has ever been to Wasilla you know that the mayor of Wasilla clearly cannot lead a small suberban "town" and of course can't lead a state, let alon a nation.

The good news is that if McCain wins and I have to take to my bunker (for the inevitable war) The state will just have another asshole as gov. But at least the asshole won't be a ditzy idiot...

Sarah Palin who's family has commercial fished for generations wheres jucking chest waders for her photo opps... enough said.

Brilliant prose and insight.

[enlosandes]

d00d....please did you have to actually write it out loud.

Sorry, but maybe the US citizens will wake up.

Or maybe I will have more neighbors speaking English after November 4th?

[soulman978]

Yes. Shocking when the sterotypes you have locked into your head don't quite work out, eh? Sorry he is not dark with yellowed and missing teeth, wearing seal fur.

Who said anything about streotypes? I'm just saying that he doesn't have ANY identifiable "native" features.

[timvwcom]

...and timvwcom's legal daughter.

Not legal.

[Rontele]

Not legal.

Thanks for the clarification, Tim!

[Blurred]

Brilliant prose and insight.

Yeah, coming from an intellectual super power like Patrick, it's like hearing it straight from the mouth of God.

[Cono Este]

I think obama does not look so inexperienced now.

The possibility of an 80 yr old president and a vp with absolutely no foreign policy experience what so ever is not appealing to me.

[soulman978]

you guys are a bunch of heartless bastards.

I realize it is unfair that it will be perceived in a fashion that will look like a male is attacking a female. but it will. Given Biden's inherent unrepentant speak before think he will hang himself. Unfortunately, for Biden Palin seems savvy enough to give him just enough rope.

I forgot, the American electorate are all idiots driven by emotion and not reason.:nonono2:

If you can't run with the big dogs...........

[Adolf Allerbush]

sexist shitstain.

Shitstains can be sexist? And I thought they were just those brown markings in banana hammocks from improper whiping technique.

[timvwcom]

Thanks for the clarification, Tim!

No problem... Not sure yet how I'll react to sending her off to NY city (or where ever) in a year and a half and I can't keep a good eye on her. My oldest is a Son and leaving him at College was tough just because he was the first... But I've had it very easy with the "dating" thing so far, so I shouldn't complain I guess?

[David Witherspoon]

Sorry, but maybe the US citizens will wake up.

Or maybe I will have more neighbors speaking English after November 4th?
Es posible. Pero lo dudo. Este McCain tipo ... :rolleyes:

[P_McPoser]

Adolf, your comments about the roles of women to be the sole caretaker are myopic and very unbarrista-esque

Quit being such a sexist shitstain.

Too slow :)

[Hutch]

I think obama does not look so inexperienced now.

The possibility of an 80 yr old president and a vp with absolutely no foreign policy experience what so ever is not appealing to me.

Interesting. Maybe the pandering to dumb voters will cause smart conservatives to fall off the back and vote for Bob Barr.

[BSS]

Brilliant prose and insight.

...for a suberbanite.

[Jax]

If you can't run with the big dogs...........


Then just shoot 'em! That's what Palin does!! :yourock:




Edit. PTB, Bitches. I'm out. Have a great holiday weekend.

[Cliff Huckable]

For the love of god, stop posting.

"My child, you have come to me, my son. For who now is your father, if it is not me? I am the well-spring from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been. What would your world be without me? My son."

[cloudpeak]

I had just about decided to sit this election out until McCain picked Palin. Apparently, he thinks disaffected Hillary supporters will automatically vote for a McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin has two X chromosomes. It's pretty cynical, and I hope women voters have more sense.

I'm now solidly in Obama's camp.

[PNWbrit]

Sorry, but maybe the US citizens will wake up.

Or maybe I will have more neighbors speaking English after November 4th?

I just called the Argentine embassy in London.

Apparently I have to wait for Thatcher to die before they'll accept my application.

Do I still have dibs on the studio?

[Metatron]

I had just about decided to sit this election out until McCain picked Palin. Apparently, he thinks disaffected Hillary supporters will automatically vote for a McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin has two X chromosomes. It's pretty cynical, and I hope women voters have more sense.

I'm now solidly in Obama's camp.

Epic backfire.

You should still sit this one out. :p

[P_McPoser]

I lived in Logan for 10 years. Are you implying mormons in Logan are racist and exclusionist? Just trying to understand what you are trying to say and if you have any sort of leg to stand on here.

No, I was comparing stereotypes. Saying that Sandpoint is full of racist KKK membes is like saying that everyone in Logan (because it is in Utah-Stereotype 1) is a exlusionist, racist, (stereotype 2, 3) Mormon.

[Cono Este]

S

BTW - which one has Down's Syndrome? The one in the car?

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Entries/2008/8/24_John_McCain_Running_Mate_files/shapeimage_2.jpg

Wonderful tactics Tip. You lower the bar for yourself everyday.:nonono2:

[Dirty Hoar]

I had just about decided to sit this election out until McCain picked Palin. Apparently, he thinks disaffected Hillary supporters will automatically vote for a McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin has two X chromosomes. It's pretty cynical, and I hope women voters have more sense.

I'm now solidly in Obama's camp.

So did you listen to Obama's speech from last night?

So the actual issues play no part in your decision but because you feel Mcain is playing you like a dumb American you now support Obama?

[Tuckerman]

I think obama does not look so inexperienced now.


In the same way that McCain does not look so old with Biden around.

[bklyn]

I had just about decided to sit this election out until McCain picked Palin. Apparently, he thinks disaffected Hillary supporters will automatically vote for a McCain/Palin ticket just because Palin has two X chromosomes. It's pretty cynical, and I hope women voters have more sense.

I'm now solidly in Obama's camp.
Considering our last dinner debate... that's some news right there. :eek:

The McCain camp was counting on you...

Unsure about Obama - check
Hillary supporter - check
MILF - check

;)

[The AD]

Who said anything about streotypes? I'm just saying that he doesn't have ANY identifiable "native" features.

I know. It's weird. He doesn't even look drunk.:fmicon:

[gonzo]

Obama = No experience on the national scene either. Hasn't done anything since elected to Congress since he's been campaigning the majority of his term.

Hilary = Not running. Non-factor - except for her displaced voters. Oh - Bush isn't running either in case someone missed the news.

Biden = Not running for President! Am I the only one who gets this? Not exactly "CHANGE" personified here...

McCain = Experience, and liberal for a 'Pub, no matter how hard the Dems try to paint him as conservative. A year ago, he was the Lib's best friiend!! Smart not to choose Lieberman or Ridge - kinda surprised he didn't take Pawlenty or Romney.

Compare Obamania's past questionable associations (ACORN, Wright, Ayers, CountryWide Mortgage) to Palin's "situation", and I don't think there's much of a comparison.

I realize Hilary isn't running, but for the last several months the spotlight has been on Hilary, Obama, and McCain...now Biden just got involved.

Hilary: Rhodes Scholar, Yale Law School, NY Senator: female icon

McCain: Annapolis, 5.5 years in POW camp, AZ Senator: military icon

Obama: Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review, insanely diverse background, IL Senator: cultural icon

Biden: Bootstrapped, 30 year DE Senator, Senate Foreign Relations and Judiciary Committee: beltway icon

Palin: Alaskan beauty pageant runner up, ATV dealer, 2 year Governor of Alaska: ?

She's not in the same league with any of them. You can easily argue that any of the first 4 would be in the running for national office based on their actions, skills, and merit without sex or race in play. Arguing that Palin would be on a national level without the female factor in play is nearly impossible. If you can make an argument of why she would have gotten this appointment if she wasn't female I would love to hear it.

[Cono Este]

In the same way that McCain does not look so old with Biden around.


Yeah but the odds of seeing Biden as leader of the free world are not as high.

This is the most demanding important job in the world. Bush and Clinton turned grey over night once president. I am supposed to believe a potentially 80 yr old president will keep all his marbles? And if he does not, a vp with 0 foreign policy or national experience should take over as leader of the free world?

[Tuckerman]

I realize Hilary isn't running, but for the last several months the spotlight has been on Hilary, Obama, and McCain...now Biden just got involved.

Hilary: Rhodes Scholar, Yale Law School, NY Senator: female icon

McCain: Annapolis, 5.5 years in POW camp, AZ Senator: military icon

Obama: Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review, insanely diverse background, IL Senator: cultural icon

Biden: Bootstrapped, 30 year DE Senator, Senate Foreign Relations and Judiciary Committee: beltway icon

Palin: Alaskan beauty pageant runner up, ATV dealer, 2 year Governor of Alaska: ?


Palin: Alaskan beauty pageant runner up, ATV dealer, 2 year Governor of Alaska: Redneck Icon and MILF?

[soulman978]

I know. It's weird. He doesn't even look drunk.:fmicon:

what is wrong with you people? I'm simply stating that he doesn't show any native physical characteristics. He's obviously not full native. I'm of mixed origin and I have features from all three. Just thought it was wierd that he didn't.

[Summit]

I think obama does not look so inexperienced now.

The possibility of an 80 yr old president and a vp with absolutely no foreign policy experience what so ever is not appealing to me.

By the time McCain is 80, Palin would have 7 years of foreign policy experience as Vice President... Obama will start as President with zero.

I'm just saying that both Obama and Palin are both about equally inexperienced (so was W), but they are applying for totally different jobs.

Biden is almost as old as McCain.

This is all so confusing... maybe I should flip a quarter. Heads I vote Washington - tails I vote the Easter Bunny.

[The Dad]

Yeah but the odds of seeing Biden as leader of the free world are not as high.
It's been a couple decades since the last time someone took a shot at a president, but they used to come pretty regular, like.

[liv2ski]

Damn, after reading this 7 page thread, I don't know what to think.
Last week I was thinking the smartest think McInsane could do was recruit Hillary as his VP. I knew that wasn't going to happen this week after her speech, but I still was puzzling over a strong woman choice that would appeal strongly to the center. I guess this works for him on many levels. 1) He did need to pander to the Evangelist voting block with a solid non pro choice VP. But if he thinks this is going to help him get a few women for Hillary votes, I think he is delusional. Sadly, she fits in so many ways with the standard GOP mantras, that anyone with a brain, will look at her stance on the issues and immediately discount what a woman could have brought to his ticket.
I really thought a woman could of helped him, I just don't know if this gal will.
She sealed Obama/Biden IMO.

[The Reverend Floater]

All other stuff aside, you're drunk if you think this woman will steal Hillary's supporters. It'll take the Clinton machine all of 20 seconds on Larry King to make sure nobody thinks they have an ounce in common. And not only that, but she'll feel insulted by Palin's nomination and carry a personal vendetta against that woman. Hillary's supporters are like drones--they'll do whatever she says.

[The AD]

what is wrong with you people? I'm simply stating that he doesn't show any native physical characteristics.

It was a joke. Probably not a great one, but I tried.

[Adolf Allerbush]

It was a joke. Probably not a great one, but I tried.

He's also not wearing headdress and he doesn't have a mohawk...wait, are those guys Eskimos?

[Tippster]

Wonderful tactics Tip. You lower the bar for yourself everyday.:nonono2:

I know - quite "Rovian" of me - eh?

I honestly didn't know. Seems she was pregnant at the time.

[steepconcrete]

Yeah but the odds of seeing Biden as leader of the free world are not as high.


maybe think twice about that.

i hate to be the one to say it. but the first black president coupled with the number of crazy racist redneck fukks in this country, and the amount of hate they live with.......

[13]

here's what i'm wondering:
if palin were a man instead of a woman, do you think mccain still would have picked someone with the resume she has?

edit: right on, gonzo. i missed your post.

it'll be interesting to hear what all the women in my life have to say about it.

[The AD]

i hate to be the one to say it. but the first black president coupled with the number of crazy racist redneck fukks in this country

The gun ban didn't fly in D.C., but if Obama is elected they're going to ban all lifted trucks. That should keep the rednecks out.

[enlosandes]

I just called the Argentine embassy in London.

Apparently I have to wait for Thatcher to die before they'll accept my application.

Do I still have dibs on the studio?

London, I thought you were Australian?;)

[Summit]

here's what i'm wondering:
if palin were a man instead of a woman, do you think mccain still would have picked someone with the resume she has?

edit: right on, gonzo. i missed your post.

it'll be interesting to hear what all the women in my life have to say about it.

If the majority of the nation was gay... but they aren't and she isn't a man.

[13]

maybe think twice about that.

i hate to be the one to say it. but the first black president coupled with the number of crazy racist redneck fukks in this country, and the amount of hate they live with.......

i'm sure the secret service is aware and preparing for the possibility. they're not exactly a bunch of morons, ya dig? :)

[soulman978]

It was a joke. Probably not a great one, but I tried.

I guess my sarcasm meter is broken today.

[Tippster]

Just to point out to Rubicon:

4 Supreme Court Justices agreed with Sen. Obama that the DC Gun Ban was Constitutional, so he wasn't "wrong," he sided with the minority - whether or not this decision reflects Constitutional interpretation in a broad sense is questionable, but in this contest the IMHO wrong side won. Regardless, I'm pretty sure Obama has a sharper legal mind, and a fuckload more knowledge in the Judicial field, than Sen. McCain, no?

[Metatron]

here's what i'm wondering:
if palin were a man instead of a woman, do you think mccain still would have picked someone with the resume she has?

That's a good question...

but maybe. Romney was only governor for four years and Pawlenty has been governor for six.

But the VP pick is obviously more for symbolic purposes... just as the should-be non-issue of Obama's skin color is a major factor, Palin's gender will be aswell.

[TeleHoar]

BTW: Slightly OT...but how about McCain's ad congratulating Obama's historic nomination last night.
Kinda Klassy I thought.
(yes...I spell classy with a K)

Between Obama's comments on respecting McCain and rising above personal attacks and McCain's ad - I have some hope that this won't be a mud-fest this fall.
(I can hope right??)

[Adolf Allerbush]

I guess my sarcasm meter is broken today.

I also noticed that he's not chewing on whale blubber in that picture either...clearly not an Eskimo. Hopefully that clears everything up.

[Summit]

Just to point out to Rubicon:

4 Supreme Court Justices agreed with Sen. Obama that the DC Gun Ban was Constitutional, so he wasn't "wrong," he sided with the minority - whether or not this decision reflects Constitutional interpretation in a broad sense is questionable, but in this contest the IMHO wrong side won. Regardless, I'm pretty sure Obama has a sharper legal mind, and a fuckload more knowledge in the Judicial field, than Sen. McCain, no?

Uh... the majority opinion is right for all intents and purposes. That would be like saying "conservatives weren't wrong about abortion, they just sided with the minority on Roe v wade."

Disclaimer: being pro-freedom I am both pro-gun and pro-choice

[P_McPoser]

I realize Hilary isn't running, but for the last several months the spotlight has been on Hilary, Obama, and McCain...now Biden just got involved.

Hilary: Rhodes Scholar, Yale Law School, NY Senator: female icon

McCain: Annapolis, 5.5 years in POW camp, AZ Senator: military icon

Obama: Editor-in-Chief of Harvard Law Review, insanely diverse background, IL Senator: cultural icon

Biden: Bootstrapped, 30 year DE Senator, Senate Foreign Relations and Judiciary Committee: beltway icon

Palin: Alaskan beauty pageant runner up, ATV dealer, 2 year Governor of Alaska: ?

She's not in the same league with any of them. You can easily argue that any of the first 4 would be in the running for national office based on their actions, skills, and merit without sex or race in play. Arguing that Palin would be on a national level without the female factor in play is nearly impossible. If you can make an argument of why she would have gotten this appointment if she wasn't female I would love to hear it.

I can't make that argument, I don't think anyone can. I think it was action that speaks that the republicans recognize the aura of "Change," like the democrats do. Do you think someone with Obama's experience would have gotten the nod as a non-charismatic white man? I don't.

As far as pedigrees go, fuck them. These people have nothing in common with the average American. The average American went to public schools, state universities, etc. George Bush had an impressive resume as well, sure worked out well, eh?

[Adolf Allerbush]

Do you think someone with Obama's experience would have gotten the nod as a non-charismatic white man? I don't

Sorry mang, but you're wrong. Check out Jimmy Carter.

[Grange]

All other stuff aside, you're drunk if you think this woman will steal Hillary's supporters. It'll take the Clinton machine all of 20 seconds on Larry King to make sure nobody thinks they have an ounce in common. And not only that, but she'll feel insulted by Palin's nomination and carry a personal vendetta against that woman. Hillary's supporters are like drones--they'll do whatever she says.

I not so sure she just may. Hillary didn't have much in common with McCain yet there are some of her supporters that are so bitter at Obama they will vote for McCain. Add in a VP that is the same gender as Hillary and McCain may look like a more plausible choice rather than just being the anti-Obama choice. Now whether those supporters were brought back to the Democratic ticket after Hillary's speech Tuesday and Obama's speech last night remains to be seen.

To me this VP pick was base on more of a reaction to Obama not picking Hillary than on her being the right candidate.

[steepconcrete]

i'm sure the secret service is aware and preparing for the possibility. they're not exactly a bunch of morons, ya dig? :)

i hope your right.

but nothing is fail safe.

[PNWbrit]

To me this VP pick was base on more of a reaction to Obama not picking Hillary than on her being the right candidate.

Did you work that out all on your own?

[Adolf Allerbush]

I not so sure she just may. Hillary didn't have much in common with McCain yet there are some of her supporters that are so bitter at Obama they will vote for McCain. Add in a VP that is the same gender as Hillary and McCain may look like a more plausible choice rather than just being the anti-Obama choice. Now whether those supporters were brought back to the Democratic ticket after Hillary's speech Tuesday and Obama's speech last night remains to be seen.

To me this VP pick was base on more of a reaction to Obama not picking Hillary than on her being the right candidate.

I don't think you are taking into account how the HRC supporters think. They're pro-choice and they want socialized healthcare...two things the McCain/Palin ticket will not provide.

[David Witherspoon]

Between Obama's comments on respecting McCain and rising above personal attacks and McCain's ad - I have some hope that this won't be a mud-fest this fall.
(I can hope right??)
We can hope.
The most significant impact of McCain's choice of Palin may be that it pulls the rug out from under many of the mudslinging tactics he or his supporters might've tried to use.

[Cliff Huckable]

All other stuff aside, you're drunk if you think this woman will steal Hillary's supporters. It'll take the Clinton machine all of 20 seconds on Larry King to make sure nobody thinks they have an ounce in common. And not only that, but she'll feel insulted by Palin's nomination and carry a personal vendetta against that woman. Hillary's supporters are like drones--they'll do whatever she says.

I don't like Hillary, so don't mistake this question as defensive:

What have Hillary supporters done to make you think that?

As for the small-town mayor, the only problems I see with her are:

1. McCain dies...and she is Prez?!! Fucking terrifying, not because she couldn't handle it, but because the Cheney-Haig types will jump out of the closet and run the show behind the curtain.
2. Her greatest strength seems to be...that focus groups give her a thumbs up. It would have been nice if the GOP had chosen someone for non-focus-group reasons, but I guess that's the way it goes right now.

[montanaskier]

great a mayor of a town in AK will be the next president if ole "gonna die any second" guy wins. She takes the best criticisim the republicans had against Obama to a new level....a mayor? Good Luck with that.

[Blurred]

Holy fuck this thread is full of DUMB.

Dumb, dumb, and even fucking dumber.

Should rename the padded room "The Toolbox".

[Tippster]

Uh... the majority opinion is right for all intents and purposes. That would be like saying "conservatives weren't wrong about abortion, they just sided with the minority on Roe v wade."

Because that can still be overturned. Nothing is set in stone - there is no right and wrong. A new Conservative Court could certainly overturn Roe v. Wade and we would have a new law of the land (well, lose one.) A huge chunk of the Republican Party is trying to do just that.

No different than should the next Supreme Court be heavily liberal - they can overturn their own decision on the DC Gun ban. If it's fluid then there is no wrong & right - no black & white.

[Danno]

Arguing that Palin would be on a national level without the female factor in play is nearly impossible. If you can make an argument of why she would have gotten this appointment if she wasn't female I would love to hear it.

Good point.


Do you think someone with Obama's experience would have gotten the nod as a non-charismatic white man?

Not fair to say "non-charismatic", that is part of the picture. I do think his being black helped him, but I think it is at least possible that someone with his resume and charisma could have secured the nomination. John Edwards came reasonably close (as in was a serious candidate), twice, without the same brains and without the same charisma.

[Dirty Hoar]

great a mayor of a town in AK will be the next president if ole "gonna die any second" guy wins. She takes the best criticisim the republicans had against Obama to a new level....a mayor? Good Luck with that.

I'm thinking Mcain is just tired and after listening to Obama's speech knows who the best choice for President is. So he went for the "hail mary" on 2nd down. Mcain's latest TV spot supports this. Or not. :D

So everybody watched the speech right?

[rideit]

Someone please find naked pics, ASAP.

[P_McPoser]

Sorry mang, but you're wrong. Check out Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Fuckin' Carter? Yeah, that turned out well!


I don't think you are taking into account how the HRC supporters think. They're pro-choice and they want socialized healthcare...two things the McCain/Palin ticket will not provide.

I have seen a lot of women on the local news here at the protests that are voting McCain out of spite---before the woman VP.


great a mayor of a town in AK will be the next president if ole "gonna die any second" guy wins. She takes the best criticisim the republicans had against Obama to a new level....a mayor? Good Luck with that.

Governor, my friend, governor. Let's golf soon.

[Hutch]

Tipp, I don't think Obama was "wrong" about the constitutionality of the DC gun ban either, but it is customary among attorneys to refer to things as "constitutional" or "unconstitutional" based solely on how the Supremes have ruled (or would rule). So in that sense, the DC gun ban was unconstitutional, Obama said it wasn't, and he was wrong.

[axebiker]

Edit to add - axebiker is a perfect example of the type of troglodyte that these craven assholes are gunning for with this selection.

You're an idiot. I thought it was a great selection too, dickhead. Read my other posts.

[Blurred]

All other stuff aside, you're drunk if you think this woman will steal Hillary's supporters. Hillary's supporters are like drones--they'll do whatever she says.

O RLY?

KACQuZVAE3s

[Toadman]

I not so sure she just may. Hillary didn't have much in common with McCain yet there are some of her supporters that are so bitter at Obama they will vote for McCain. Add in a VP that is the same gender as Hillary and McCain may look like a more plausible choice rather than just being the anti-Obama choice. Now whether those supporters were brought back to the Democratic ticket after Hillary's speech Tuesday and Obama's speech last night remains to be seen.

To me this VP pick was base on more of a reaction to Obama not picking Hillary than on her being the right candidate.


Like someone else posted earlier, by the end of the Labor Day weekend, it will be apparent that those supporting Hillary, won't be voting for McCain. Especially after they get a load of Palin. They might just sit it out and let the evangelicals decide this one. (Again)

[Hutch]

You're an idiot. I thought it was a great selection too, dickhead. Read my other posts.


Heh. My point was that it was a smart choice because it would appeal to morons, not because she is at all qualified.

[Tippster]

Tipp, I don't think Obama was "wrong" about the constitutionality of the DC gun ban either, but it is customary among attorneys to refer to things as "constitutional" or "unconstitutional" based solely on how the Supremes have ruled (or would rule). So in that sense, the DC gun ban was unconstitutional, Obama said it wasn't, and he was wrong.
I hear you, but since he said that before the issue was decided he was merely siding with what ended up being the minority. If he still said it today he would be "wrong" but as a big time Lawyer I doubt he would do so.

[axebiker]

Heh. My point was that it was a smart choice because it would appeal to morons, not because she is at all qualified.


And I would disagree. She has executive experience - but not at the national level, although I would put a governor's responsibility ahead of a senators. I'm not trying to say her resume is "to die for", but I wouldn't say she's any less qualified than Barry. I don't McCain, but I like Barack even less. I see his platform at borderline socialist. If Barr had a chance, I'd vote for him, but I see it as a wasted vote.

Morons? How so? Because I think McSame made a good choice? I think he made a smart choice. I think he picked up some votes he otherwise would not have had. I don't think he lost a step with this choice. I certainly didn't see it coming, so I need to learn more about her and will. She may certainly be what this campaign needs - or not. We'll see I guess.

[PNWbrit]

It's quite easy to change the minds of Clinton supporters who claim to now be for McCain. Even now he's picked his V.P. based solely on a quick count of her ovaries.

Tell them exactly how he talks to his wife (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=cindy+mccain+cunt&btnG=Search). Trumps everything, even Bill's infidelities.

If that doesn't change their minds they're actually just Karl Rove wearing fake tits*, lipstick and a dress.

* although he probably doesn't need much help in that regard.

[gonzo]

I can't make that argument, I don't think anyone can. I think it was action that speaks that the republicans recognize the aura of "Change," like the democrats do. Do you think someone with Obama's experience would have gotten the nod as a non-charismatic white man? I don't.

As far as pedigrees go, fuck them. These people have nothing in common with the average American. The average American went to public schools, state universities, etc. George Bush had an impressive resume as well, sure worked out well, eh?

Charisma and race/ethnicity aren't the same. Non-female Palin = not national. Non-ethnic Obama = national. Any Senator that was #1 in their class at HLS has potential go national. 2 year governors with vanilla backgrounds do not.

W's bio pre-pres bio doesn't compare to the first four either. Getting into HBS is massively different than dominating the field at HLS. Being in the reserves is massively different than a 5 year POW. Being a Governor is massively different than being a Senator.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Jimmy Fuckin' Carter? Yeah, that turned out well!



I have seen a lot of women on the local news here at the protests that are voting McCain out of spite---before the woman VP.



Governor, my friend, governor. Let's golf soon.


Just saying dood...Jimmy Fuckin Carter...it didn't turn out well but it's certainly an example of a white man with little exprience.

And as for HRC supporters now in support of McCain it's been a bit different here at least in talking to the HRC supporters I know. They're not extatic over Obama but they're also willing to get on board for the greater good so to speak.

[Rusty Nails]

So yeah, I currently reside in Hawaii, but I am an Alaska resident and voter, so I stay up with the politics.

My take is not too far off from AKPM's, but I probably spell better.

Palin is great for a "folksy" state like AK, not so much for the rest of the country. From my understanding she is more than just "religious" and "pro-life", she is a creationist. That could be an issue down the road. Only Hawaii could match the political ineptness of Alaska. Alaska was, and is, about the most poorly managed state in the country. No state income tax, no state sales tax, tons of natural resource money, and they still screw everything up all the time.

Wasilla is the red neck capital of Alaska. If you wanted to park a meth trailer anywhere in the state and shoot trap in back yard, that is where you live. Not exactly the person you want globetrotting around on behalf of the USA??? Or, maybe you do.

I knew her husband was Native, but not sure if he is 100% or not. I believe you only need 25% to have tribal status, which is important since many AK Native Groups set up 8a Corporations that graduate to large corporations and distro significant funds to their members. I have not heard if their kids are considered tribal members or not. Not that it really matters, just thought I would pass along the info.

Don't be misled by Palin's approval rating. Being better than Frank Murkowski is nothing to crow about. He was universally hated by the time he was booted out. Additionally, AK votes the highest percentage Republican in national elections than any other state (maybe a couple others beat it out???). When seventy percent of the state votes republican, it's not hard to have a high approval rating.

The "trooper-gate" thing seems like a non-starter. Unless I am missing something, she made the right call IMHO.

None of us know too much about her and it will be interesting how American herd reacts to all the spin and angles from both sides leading up to the election. As was said by others, I at least think it is socially awesome that either a woman or black is the POTUS or VP slot with this election. I am very stoked that it is not Condosleeza.

[P_McPoser]

And none of them have a clue how the majority of Americans live or think. It's all fucked.

I cannot relate to any of the candidates, excpet maybe Palin. Doesn't make her the right choice though. I'm just disillusioned. We, as a country, are tired of the rich getting richer, so we keep electing wealthy, priveledged people into office???

[Danno]

as someone who went to law school, I can say with certainty that finishing at the top of your class at Harvard is fucking huge, as is being editor in chief of the law review.

[mr_gyptian]

Charisma and race/ethnicity aren't the same. Non-female Palin = not national. Non-ethnic Obama = national. Any Senator that was #1 in their class at HLS has potential go national. 2 year governors with vanilla backgrounds do not.

W's bio pre-pres bio doesn't compare to the first four either. Getting into HBS is massively different than dominating the field at HLS. Being in the reserves is massively different than a 5 year POW. Being a Governor is massively different than being a Senator.

gonz, he was president of the law review and graduated magna cum laude. impressive, but hardly number one in his class. secondly, Obama's community organizing efforts should be apparent to you. you lived in chicago and should know what an unmitigated shithole the southside is.

when you come down to it, Obama, Presidential nominee, is where he is because of his race/ethnicity and Palin, VP nom, is where she is because of her gender.

hopefully 2008 will be the zenith of our identity politics.

[Grange]

Did you work that out all on your own?

Why yes, yes I did. And I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night.


I don't think you are taking into account how the HRC supporters think. They're pro-choice and they want socialized healthcare...two things the McCain/Palin ticket will not provide.

I hope you're right.

[Rusty Nails]

gonz, he was president of the law review and graduated magna cum laude. impressive, but hardly number one in his class. secondly, Obama's community organizing efforts should be apparent to you. you lived in chicago and should know what an unmitigated shithole the southside is.

when you come down to it, Obama, Presidential nominee, is where he is because of his race/ethnicity and Palin, VP nom, is where she is because of her gender.

hopefully 2008 will be the zenith of our identity politics.

That makes no sense. I have never heard of a Law Review "President". To be EIC of Law Review at HLS, you would need to be at the very top of your class.

[gonzo]

as someone who went to law school, I can say with certainty that finishing at the top of your class at Harvard is fucking huge, as is being editor in chief of the law review.

agreed. soooo fucking hard. so much competition from the smartest, most aggressive nerds on the planet.

http://blog.robwebb2k.com/2008/08/29/the-statistics-behind-being-editor-in-chief-of-harvard-law-review/

[Cliff Huckable]

And none of them have a clue how the majority of Americans live or think. It's all fucked.

I cannot relate to any of the candidates, excpet maybe Palin. Doesn't make her the right choice though. I'm just disillusioned. We, as a country, are tired of the rich getting richer, so we keep electing wealthy, priveledged people into office???

That's because the great majority of Americans believe that rich people are better. It's that simple.

[The Dad]

Dunno, Mr. G. I think Obama is where he is despite his ethnicity. I don't see any evidence of favoritism shown him based on ethnicity. But what do I know.


It does strike me that one area in which the Palin pick could benefit the ticket is by having a high-profile Republican with a family member on active duty, particularly in Iraq. The fact that her son ships out on 9/11 is just icing on the cake.

[Rontele]

agreed. soooo fucking hard. so much competition from the smartest, most aggressive nerds on the planet.

http://blog.robwebb2k.com/2008/08/29/the-statistics-behind-being-editor-in-chief-of-harvard-law-review/

Thirded.

[Dirty Hoar]

And none of them have a clue how the majority of Americans live or think. It's all fucked.

That's denial or you are misinformed. Obama could be a poster boy for middle class America. Against all odds he rose to the top. And he did it on his own. I think he knows EXACTLY how the majority of Americans live and think. Why don't you think so?

Did you listen to his speech last night?

[powder11]

McCain is going with the traditional VP type role as well as someone the masses will relate to. I predict this will play out well over the long haul as I'm willing to bet there's more folks in America who can relate to people like McCain and Palin than dudes like Obama and Biden. Obama can go on about change and what not, but theres a huge part of American society that aren't turned on by that rhetoric. These people like guns, ATV's and kicking Arab ass. These aren't people who went to university or post in chat rooms or ski forums, so many of you don't know they exist, but never under estimate the stupidity of the typical American voter (W in office 2 terms for example).

[The Reverend Floater]

It does strike me that one area in which the Palin pick could benefit the ticket is by having a high-profile Republican with a family member on active duty, particularly in Iraq. The fact that her son ships out on 9/11 is just icing on the cake.

Like Biden's son who is expected to be commissioned in the very near future?

Bottom line is this question, and I'd love an honest response from everyone here: The biggest duty of the Vice President is to lead the country, should the President be unable to do so. Fact: John McCain is 72 years old and has had FOUR bouts with cancer. All posturing and identification aside, do you want this woman who we admittedly know very little about good or bad, running the most powerful country in the world?

[gonzo]

gonz, he was president of the law review and graduated magna cum laude. impressive, but hardly number one in his class. secondly, Obama's community organizing efforts should be apparent to you. you lived in chicago and should know what an unmitigated shithole the southside is.

when you come down to it, Obama, Presidential nominee, is where he is because of his race/ethnicity and Palin, VP nom, is where she is because of her gender.

hopefully 2008 will be the zenith of our identity politics.

you're right - he was manga, which is top 10%. i say #1 because he was EIC (not president). in my experience EIC is more difficult and prestigious than summa. the most aggro nerds in the country voted him king of the nerds....and he was elected to the Senate and can deliver a message on level with MLK. Palin hasn't done shit and hasn't been shit. McCain/Palin are dead-in-the-water fucked.

[PNWbrit]

when you come down to it, Obama, Presidential nominee, is where he is because of his race/ethnicity

Don't panic you'll still be able to not vote for him based on his color.

[Hutch]

do you want this woman who we admittedly know very little about good or bad, running the most powerful country in the world?

No.

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[Lonnie]

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That's because the great majority of Americans believe that rich people are better. It's that simple.

Whuddaya mean? They aren't?

[P_McPoser]

That's denial or you are misinformed. Obama could be a poster boy for middle class America. Against all odds he rose to the top. And he did it on his own. I think he knows EXACTLY how the majority of Americans live and think. Why don't you think so?

Did you listen to his speech last night?

He's close, but he grew up over seas, and in Hawaii. Still kind of isolated from the average Joe.

[Danno]

you're right - he was manga, which is top 10%. i say #1 because he was EIC (not president). in my experience EIC is more difficult and prestigious than summa. the most aggro nerds in the country voted him king of the nerds....and he was elected to the Senate and can deliver a message on level with MLK. Palin hasn't done shit and hasn't been shit. McCain/Palin are dead-in-the-water fucked.

to get elected EIC, you generally have to be really fucking smart AND be liked by a good number of people. Law review geeks are geeks, they won't elect the dumbass, they elect someone whose brains they respect. but they also won't elect the complete social retard either. our EIC may not have been the absolute smartest in the class, but she was damn close to it and was also a supermom and a very nice person to boot. EIC of Harvard Law Review is no small feat.

[The Dad]

Like Biden's son who is expected to be commissioned in the very near future?

Exactly.

It helps defuse the argument that W, McCain, and the rest of the gung ho-ligans don't have any skin in the game -- that they're gambling with other families' kids' lives, not their own.

[Rontele]

to get elected EIC, you generally have to be really fucking smart AND be liked by a good number of people. Law review geeks are geeks, they won't elect the dumbass, they elect someone whose brains they respect. but they also won't elect the complete social retard either. our EIC may not have been the absolute smartest in the class, but she was damn close to it and was also a supermom and a very nice person to boot. EIC of Harvard Law Review is no small feat.

Agreed. The EIC of our law review is my best friend from school and is not only the smartest kid in our class, but also the hardest working and most humble. It is IMPOSSIBLE not to love the kid.

His predecessor, just the same.

[Adolf Allerbush]

He's close, but he grew up over seas, and in Hawaii. Still kind of isolated from the average Joe.

McCain, born in Panama...hmm, interesting. What else do you got?

[PNWbrit]

McCain, born in Panama...hmm, interesting. What else do you got?

Zing........

[Pig Bodine]

Dunno, Mr. G. I think Obama is where he is despite his ethnicity. I don't see any evidence of favoritism shown him based on ethnicity. But what do I know.


It does strike me that one area in which the Palin pick could benefit the ticket is by having a high-profile Republican with a family member on active duty, particularly in Iraq. The fact that her son ships out on 9/11 is just icing on the cake.

Totally agree with AD but just wanted to note that Beau Biden, Joe's son, ships out on the 3rd of Oct. and he's leaving the Attorney General's spot in Delaware to do it.

Also, I'm from Montana but with lots of AK connection and I'm currently living there now. Rusty Nails is spot on with his remarks, this state completely mismanaged. Palin catches a lot of support for her "reform" of oil corruption in the state but that's an oxymoron in AK politics.

Big Oil keeps it's stranglehold here because they have the money to do it whether it's favors or lobbyists, just look at the Permanent Fund which is basically a kickback to every citizen based upon the prior year's Slope production. Every other sane state marks natural resource development money to education or public works that happen to benefit everyone, not create an oil driven welfare state.

Where else in the country could you have 9 kids (Perm Fund money is per person, not family) and live fairly comfortably without having a job or contributing anything to society. Answer: Wasilla, AK, the most redneck village in the state and home to Palin's adoring constituency. Federal welfare, which almost every "Perm Fund family" usually qualifies for in addition, doesn't come close to the money they get from the state/Oil industry.

Anyway, just wanted to give some insight in the situation of AK politics and the fact that Palin is considered a "maverick" reformer in AK but would be considered a conservative, anachronistic, idealogue in any other state in the nation, except possibly Idaho, Wyo, Texas, etc. Carry on...

[MrZach]

^^^^ Wow, thanks for the insight 'Bodine ^^^^

[Tri-Ungulate]

Damn these NSR threads. OK to make this skiing related, did ya'll realize Palin worked for Freeskier Magazine?

http://freeskier.com/articles/article.php?article_id=1200

[Tippster]

Heh.

http://freeskier.com/uploads/images/photo_46d86a5dadd4f.jpg

[1080Rider]

Sandpoint Idaho? Sandpoint? That's like the epicenter of white supremest idiocy. The more you read here the more terrifying this ticket really is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Yeah, everyone in Sandpoint are white supremacists... come on. Ever been there? Real good skiing nearby. Maybe, just maybe that's what appealed to her/her family.

[The Dad]

Heh.

http://freeskier.com/uploads/images/photo_46d86a5dadd4f.jpg

The old in-n-out, eh?

[MrZach]

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/wargames.jpg

[Gebster]

Don't know if it's been said already, this whole deal is going to be as bad Bob Dole working out on the treadmill back in 96

[enlosandes]

Come on maggots, no one can dig up and good pics of her? I can't believe she is this squeaky clean. I think the glasses come off, the hair comes down, and she is dirty. I hope so at least!

[gonzo]

check page 1 and 2...

[David Witherspoon]

hopefully 2008 will be the zenith of our identity politics.
I woulda said nadir, but whatever - I doubt it.
I trust in people like you to keep racism a vibrant force in America for decades to come.

[Gebster]

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/wargames.jpg
With the fucking Russians/Soviets flexing their power as of late I was really hoping that McCain would pick Condi since you get the women and African American vote plus she knows the Soviet system, mentality, and how to handle them. And my pops who is a ultra-Dem at a nameless defense thinktank would have voted for Condi too.

And I know that its the Russians and not Soviets...but somethings just never change no what how much it may appear to change

[Adolf Allerbush]

With the fucking Russians/Soviets flexing their power as of late I was really hoping that McCain would pick Condi since you get the women and African American vote plus she knows the Soviet system, mentality, and how to handle them. And my pops who is a ultra-Dem at a nameless defense thinktank would have voted for Condi too.

And I know that its the Russians and not Soviets...but somethings just never change no what how much it may appear to change

CANT STOP TYPING!!!!
http://www.lugradio.org/competitions/sh4ct/joachim.jpg

[enlosandes]

check page 1 and 2...

I'm talking about good pics, with flesh! Not the librarian look!

[gretch6364]

I'm talking about good pics, with flesh! Not the librarian look!

You never had any librarian fantasies?

[BSS]

With the fucking Russians/Soviets flexing their power as of late I was really hoping that McCain would pick Condi since you get the women and African American vote plus she knows the Soviet system, mentality, and how to handle them. And my pops who is a ultra-Dem at a nameless defense thinktank would have voted for Condi too.

And I know that its the Russians and not Soviets...but somethings just never change no what how much it may appear to change

Russians aren't a factor. Yet. McCain needs to get in office before he can worry about the Russians, and Condi wouldn't have helped him at all. She's a full-fledged Bush league good old boy (Black, female, or otherwise.) And it would take her FAR longer than the next 90 days for their campaign to shake that.

[Toadman]

With the fucking Russians/Soviets flexing their power as of late I was really hoping that McCain would pick Condi since you get the women and African American vote plus she knows the Soviet system, mentality, and how to handle them. And my pops who is a ultra-Dem at a nameless defense thinktank would have voted for Condi too.



You do realize that Condi is the reason things are so f'd up btwn America and Russia? You don't think Bush did it all by his lonesome.

[BaconMan]

With the fucking Russians/Soviets flexing their power as of late I was really hoping that McCain would pick Condi since you get the women and African American vote plus she knows the Soviet system, mentality, and how to handle them. And my pops who is a ultra-Dem at a nameless defense thinktank would have voted for Condi too.

And I know that its the Russians and not Soviets...but somethings just never change no what how much it may appear to change

Yeah, but Alaska is really near Russia. That's gotta count for something.