Twintip Mantras...

[skibomb]

I wish I could find a twintip Mantra...

Have skied the Mantras for the first time this season and have been very very impressed by them - good float and good performance on harder stuff. In fact, have been amazed by the bite they had on ice.

The Mantras might very well be my perfect allround ski, had it not been for the flat tails. Any similar-width twintips out there that have similar flex and performance? If so, my quiver will be complete ;)

And yes, I did search...

[lukc]

RUN! do NOT walk, but RUN to sierrasnowboard.com and buy the 185 nordica enforcers. buy now. read up on them later... one pair left at that price.

[SiSt]

Sadly, I can´t help you.

I´m just here to support the fact that a twintip Mantra would be an excellent one ski quiver.

[babel]

Prophet 100s?

[skibomb]

Prophet 100s?

Looked into that - too soft compared to the Mantra I believe.

Thx for the pointer towards the Enforcers. Will look into that...

[Bandit Man]

Isn't the twin tip Mantra the Bridge? Sure, the core is different, but with the dual-layer wood core, the flex ain't that different.

Oh, I agree that the Prophet 100 is the ski you ask about, too.

[Smails]

The Bridge skis NOTHING like the Mantra. I thought it might, but not even close. I ski the Prophet and Mantra and the Prophet is plenty stiff.

[SiSt]

No metal in the bridge.

[Bandit Man]

The Bridge skis NOTHING like the Mantra. I thought it might, but not even close. I ski the Prophet and Mantra and the Prophet is plenty stiff.

Yeah...never been on the Bridge, but thought it might be close. Mantras are a very over-hyped ski, IMO.

[skibomb]

I ski the Prophet and Mantra and the Prophet is plenty stiff.

Does the Prophet have the same stiffness and bite railing on hardpack/ice though? I've been looking into the Prophets but never liked the Prophet 90s somehow (in fact, am selling mine) and am led to believe that tip and tails on the 100s are softer than the Mantras?

[SiSt]

Now, I have to celebrate my 333rd post by posting this pic:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41506&stc=1&d=1209679269

On with our scheduled program.

Mantras are great skis, a bit on the soft side, but very good allrounders. Add a twin and you have yourself a winner.

[altabird92]

Try the dynastar big touble.
Pretty stiff, relatively fat.

[PNWbrit]

I have Mantras and Prophet 100s.

They ski pretty much the same.

[stuckathuntermtn]

2nded on the enforcers. I have them. They rule. Must be Last year's. This year's is a flat tail.
Only problem is: metal skis bend.

[El Chupacabra]

Mantras are a very over-hyped ski, IMO.

Agree completely. Mantras were incredibly disappointing when I demo'd them; for a ski that was supported to replace the Explosiv, it fails miserably.

You might like the Nordica Enforcer if you're looking for a twinned Mantra. I remember hating that ski for much the same reasons I hated the Mantra.

[Mgof]

moment tahoe?

[Smails]

Does the Prophet have the same stiffness and bite railing on hardpack/ice though? I've been looking into the Prophets but never liked the Prophet 90s somehow (in fact, am selling mine) and am led to believe that tip and tails on the 100s are softer than the Mantras?

I owned, but never mounted a pair of Prophet 90's so I can't help there. But my take on the Prophet 100 v. Mantra is that the more you ski them the more similar you realize they are. The Mantra feels stiffer, heavier, and more confidence inspiring but once you get past the fact that the Line feels lighter and more "playful" you realize it can do the same things the Mantra can and more.

I skied both skis fairly intensively at Alta and Stowe so I got them out in a lot of different conditions. The Line far exceeded the Mantra in powder, not even a close comparison. In crud and soft groomed I enjoyed both a lot, both excellent.

Based on one day on very hard east coast snow I wasn't impressed with the Lines and thought they didn't stack up here. But after getting my Mantra's stolen I was forced to use the Lines as an everyday ski. Once I got used to them I founds they were actually great. The Mantra feels heavy and stiff and you get basically just stomp it on edge on the hardest snow/ice and it will but like a race ski. You couldn't do that on the Line, but once I got the hang of the ski in these conditions I was more than satisfied.

Sure, the Line may not have the feel two sheets of metal/verticle sidewall gives you, but it will surprise you. Other than straightlines and the hardest nastiest ice day on the east coast, the Lines meet or exceed the Mantra.

[EVC_CO]

I didn't like the way my enforcers skied switch FWIW
go for the P100s

[Smails]

Prophet 100's are not similar to Mantra's in performance at all. Prophets are considerably softer and do not reward weighting the tips like a Mantra would. Wood core? Sure, but no metal at all. I'm really surprised this ski was mentioned in this thread. It's almost as if those who recommended it have never skied both skis and are talking based on dimensions alone?

The Nordica would make sense, or just go a little wider and get a Gotama. The Gotama is almost as impressive on firm snow, and has a slightly different construction for '09: squared off sidewalls, and a "mounting plate" embedded in the ski to keep bindings (mostly tele) from pulling out of the ski...

Its sounds like you are the one who has never skied both. First, you will notice that the Prophet 100 has a sheet of metal that visable through the top sheet of the ski so you are wrong in that regard. Second, there is no contest between the Prophet and the Gotama in true hard snow conditions. Sure, Gots rail nice fresh groomers like the Mantra or Prophet but on really hard snow or ice they suck. You are right that the Prophet doesn't reward weighting and driving the tip quite like the Mantra, but it is stiff where it needs to be stiff and handles really hard conditions well if you ski it right

[Misty_Fly]

[QUOTE=zo;1829269]Prophet 100's are not similar to Mantra's in performance at all. Prophets are considerably softer and do not reward weighting the tips like a Mantra would. Wood core? Sure, but no metal at all. I'm really surprised this ski was mentioned in this thread. It's almost as if those who recommended it have never skied both skis and are talking based on dimensions alone?
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I feel compelled to inform you that you are spouting faeces sir. Prophet 100s, both 08 and 09 versions incorporate the "metal matrix system" which is a titanium/aluminium compound. You can see it very clearly indeed on the 08s.

As for a twinned mantra alternative, Prophets would be as effective, if not more so as an all around charger as mantras but they do perform a little differently, as explained by others. It would just take a little getting used to I think but I can certainly vouch for p100s being an excellent ski. never skied the Nordicas so idk.

For the sake of throwing a coulple of other options into the fray, maybe have a think about Movement Gladiators or even Thunders. Both a little bit skinnier than mantras but not so much. Thunders probably most similar to mantras performance-wise but only half twinned. Gladiators are full twins. Worth a thought.

[3pin]

Prophet 100's are not similar to Mantra's in performance at all. Prophets are considerably softer and do not reward weighting the tips like a Mantra would. Wood core? Sure, but no metal at all.

Not true. The Prophet 100 has two layers of Titanal on either side of the maple/aspen core. (Technical point, Titanal has little or no titanium in it. It's an aluminum alloy with lots of metals, but I believe less than .5% is titanium usually.)

I used to tele on the Mantra (94mm waist version) and still do on the Team 100 (Karhu version of the Prophet). They aren't identical - the 100 has a little tighter radius coming out of the turn than the straighter tail of the Mantra - but they do have similar characteristics.

[ulty_guy]

Yeah, was thinking the movement gladiators for myself sctually. Any review? I need a 90-95mm that's can seriously hold an edge.

[SuperGaper]

Stockli TT? Two sheets of metal, urathane core, 95mm under foot. Less sidecut than the Mantra/Enforcer but pretty similar flex, a little softer than the Mantra and stiffer than an Enforcer and of course very damp.